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Thursday, September 30, 2010

Vattel Birthers Should Just STFU!!!

OK, this is a long one, but I promise to KISS. (KEEP IT SIMPLE STUPID!!) (LOL!!!) Anyway, there are TWO kinds of Birthers. There are Birthers like me who believe Obama was born in Kenya, and even if he wasn't, he sure acts like it! We don't believe the Birth Certificate on the Internet is real, and we are REALLY suspicious why he says he was born in Hawaii but his social security number is from Conneticut. Stuff like that. Dr. Taitz is that kind of Birther, too.

The other kind of Birther, the Vattle Birthers, believe that even if Obama was born in the United States of America, he is a illegal president because it take two American parents or maybe just one, or something like that because of stuff like Vattle. (I don't spell Vattel right on purpose because it just seems so stupid to me.) Anyway, Vattle is a 300 year old French person from France so who cares what he thinks about anything!!! Plus, I have suggested the Vattle Birthers sue Obama in Lousiana which has French laws, and see if they can win there. Which I doubt.

Then we have the British Vattle Birthers who think Obama is British because his father was British, but that seems stupid, too, because the Queen of England ain't the Boss of Me!!! The British are very nice people, and our friends now, but they can't tell us nothing about nothing who our citizens can be. American laws do!!I have a youtube video to "prove" that which is really short and funny, too. (No alligators were harmed in the making of that video! (LOL!!!)).

So first, here is some stuff from law cases that I got from somebody named Black Lion who won't say Hi! back to me, and is a very RUDE OBOT!, but his stuff is right. Every time I try to read the Vattle BLAH BLAH BLAH stuff, the Vattle Birthers are just getting beat the heck out of by the STUPID OBOTS, but that is the Vattle Birther's fault for trying to make some sort of stupid point that doesn't even make sense. Like the British stuff which is REALLY STUPID. So here is Black Lion's stuff, and then my Anti-British Law video.

So after reading this, PLEEEEAAAASEE Vattle Birthers, STFU!!! and come help the rest of us Birthers in a fight we can't lose. Plus, if you are NOT a Birther yet, and think we are all just crazy to be suspicious, you might want to read my first INTERNET ARTICLE here, A U.S. President Wouldn't Lie, Would He??? which is here on this website in April and will really, really help you be suspicious of U.S Presidents. But here is the Law Case and a link so you can read the WHOLE THING.

"It thus clearly appears that by the law of England for the last three centuries, beginning before the settlement of this country, and continuing to the present day, aliens, while residing in the dominions possessed by the crown of England, were within the allegiance, the obedience, the faith or loyalty, the protection, the power, and the jurisdiction of the English sovereign; and therefore every child born in England of alien parents was a natural-born subject, unless the child of an ambassador or other diplomatic agent of a foreign state, or of an alien enemy in hostile occupation of the place where the child was born.”

“The same rule was in force in all the English colonies upon this continent down to the time of the Declaration of Independence, and in the United States afterwards, and continued to prevail under the constitution as originally established.”

“All persons born in the allegiance of the king are natural-born subjects, and all persons born in the allegiance of the United States are natural-born citizens. Birth and allegiance go together. Such is the rule of the common law, and it is the common law of this country, as well as of England. We find no warrant for the opinion that this great principle of the common law has ever been changed in the United States. It has always obtained here with the same vigor, and subject only to the same exceptions, since as before the Revolution.”

“Based upon the language of Article II, Section 1, Clause 4 and the guidance provided by Wong Kim Ark, we conclude that persons born within the borders of the United States are “natural born Citizens” for Article II, Section 1 purposes, regardless of the citizenship of their parents. Just as a person “born within the British dominions [was] a natural-born British subject” at the time of the framing of the U.S. Constitution, so too were those “born in the allegiance of the United States are natural-born citizens.”

“The Plaintiffs do not mention the above United States Supreme Court authority in their complaint or brief; they primarily rely instead on an eighteenth century treatise and quotations of Members of Congress made during the nineteenth century. To the extent that these authorities conflict with the United States Supreme Court’s interpretation of what it means to be a natural born citizen, we believe that the Plaintiffs‟ arguments fall under the category of “conclusory, non-factual assertions or legal conclusions” that we need not accept as true when reviewing the grant of a motion to dismiss for failure to state a claim.”

The Whole Law Case

Then here is my Anti-British law video I got off youtube, which "proves" (DUH!!!)the British ain't the Bosses of Us, anymore:

Squeeky Fromm
Girl Reporter

PS: Since I wrote this, Black Lion said Hi! back to me, and said he wasn't sure I was the same SQUEEKY, since STUPID OBOTS are always pretending to be me JUST TO GET ON MY LAST NERVE!!!! So Black Lion isn't a rude OBOT after all. My mistake.


  1. Orly Taters is a Vattle birfer. She's been pushing the requirement of natural born as being born of two parents that are citizens for as long as she's been suing Obama. It's been her 'fall back' theory in the instance she can't prove he was born in Kenya, which of course she can't prove.

  2. I think it is Plan B for a lot of Birthers, but it is just plain STUPID BLAH BLAH BLAH. Dr. Taitz's Plan A is a lot better.

    Girl Reporter

  3. In English 'common law' the ORDINARY subjects (aka citizens in USA) were CALLED 'natural born subjects'.

    English 'natural born subjects' are the equivalent to US 14th Amendment 'citizens' (nothing to do with Article II 'natural born Citizen'

    The English 'natural born subjects' were NOT eligible for the highest office of England.

    The US 'natural born Citizen' IS eligible for highest office of USA.

    The highest office of England is sovereign, and the eligibility for highest office in England is due to the status of the parents (jus sanguinis)

    Similarly the in the constitutional republic of United States of America, founded on the US Constitution, it sets the CITIZENS as sovereign.

    Consistent with English 'common law', the USA draws those eligible for highest office from the sovereign 'Citizens', i.e.. Citizen parents.

  4. To Michael:

    Thank you for your opinion, but that just isn't what the law case says. Here is the sentence:

    "“Based upon the language of Article II, Section 1, Clause 4 and the guidance provided by Wong Kim Ark, we conclude that persons born within the borders of the United States are “natural born Citizens” for Article II, Section 1 purposes, regardless of the citizenship of their parents."

    Sooo, that is real simple. Can you go to just one law case and find one sentence that says what you say? Because if you can't then you are just wrong, and you have to stop saying this stuff because it is just setting the STUPID OBOTS up to beat our butts.

    If you want us Birthers to win, then you are just going to have to admit you are wrong and lets get back to basics. Pleeeasasee!

    Girl Reporter

  5. I think Squeeky is right. We all think Obummer is a userper. But if we say he's a userper for reason A -- oh thats not good, OK he's a userper for reason B -- oh no, OK reason C -- it just makes us sound stupid. Let's do some research and come up with the true answer instead of just spouting off anything we found on a blog.

  6. It is a bit difficult to ascertain what exactly your point is. Is your point simply to discuss why the Vattel hypothesis is incorrect? If so, I think you do so quite well. Ankeny does destroy the Vattel theory; it was never correct to begin with because of Wong Kim Ark. Unfortunately, birthers who subscribe to the Vattel hypothesis throw out Ankeny because it "didn't come from the SCOTUS". I know, I know. Silliness. While Ankeny wasn't a SCOTUS case, the main argument made by the court is that Wong Kim Ark is correct in stating that place of birth defines NBCship. Wong Kim Ark was a SCOTUS case.

    My question is this; you assert at the beginning of you post that you believe Obama was born in Kenya. What is it that leads you to that conclusion? There is no evidence that he was born there. None at all. The audio that Berg used was edited by him. The complete audio shows Grandma Sarah stating that Obama Jr was born in the states. The Bomford BC is an obvious hoax, and I believe that Lucas Smith's "Kenyan BC" is a hoax as well. He hasn't shown anyone the true copy of what he claims to have. Orly only had a photocopy of what Smith claims is the "Kenyan BC".

    Orly's husband went to Kenya in Aug 2009. She mentioned it on a radio show right after the family returned from Israel and Russia. He found nothing. No one has found anything to show that Obama was born outside of Hawaii. So, if I may respectfully ask, why do you believe Obama was born in Kenya? What specifically leads you to believe that? And why do you reject everything from Hawaii?

    Then there is the question of NBCship for foreign born US citizens. Do you believe that McCain wasn't a NBC? If so, that answers my question about your belief about NBCship for foreign born Americans. If you do believe that McCain is a NBC, then why don't you believe Obama is one?

  7. To Funnyhaha:

    I get there by a logical process, that was started by my Woman's Intuition that something was fishy about the way Obama wouldn't cough up his long form, or a public certified birth certificate. Plus other stuff. But, here is my Sherlock Holmes logic, from an argument with OBOTS, edited just a little bit:

    Lookit what Sherlock Holmes said:

    “We must fall back upon the old axiom that when all other contingencies fail, whatever remains, however improbable, must be the truth.”

    There are four basic possible reasons why Obama hasn’t coughed up his NOT A PICTURE birth certificate:

    1. He’s a Kenyan.

    2. He’s very, very stupid.

    3. It wouldn’t convince nobody.

    4. He gets a political advantage from all the “crazy” birthers.

    Let’s take No. 2. Is he stupid? No, he has been to Harvard Law School and everybody says he’s the smartest president we have ever had. Even I don’t really question his brains, although I do use “stupid” as an adjective a lot.

    Let’s take No. 4. Is he getting a political advantage? Oh heck no!!! It affects everything he does! I provided you Chris Matthews tape, above, plus you can look at polls, plus you can see how Democrats are mostly avoiding him in their campaigns. He’s hurting and Birthers are a good part of it. Like it says in that Grio article I cited above, squished together. And this is your OBOT friends saying this:

    “The birthers are a bunch of wacky, paranoid, Obama-haters crudely cloaking themselves in the mantle of public spirited citizens and legal experts with no personal, political, let alone racial, ax to grind with Obama. Their sole goal they claimed was to insure electoral truth and accuracy, to make sure that all the legal requirements for holding a presidential office are met, and to head off a constitutional crisis. They even promised that they would put the matter to rest if Obama simply produced the original document. But, there’s a canny, calculated, and politically cynical motive behind their Obama birth certificate agitation. The real value of the birther movement is that it’s an orchestrated back door movement to destabilize, or at the least keep the Obama administration off balance on policy initiatives he’s pushing on health care, the economy, and a softer foreign policy outreach. They are fierce opponents of these initiatives.”

    Here’s the cite again so you don’t have to go look for it:

    Let’s look at number 3: that it wouldn’t convince nobody. First, how would you know since you haven’t tried it. Next, you haven’t even tried to analyze who birthers really are, and what kinds of proof might matter to what groups. Heck, you still see as one big confused mob. You admit that in COURT, all it would take is a tangible certified copy of the birth certificate, yet you fail to explain how if you move the piece of paper from inside the courthouse, 200 feet to the outside world, what it is that transforms it into nothingness. Sorry, but 3 s a bust.

    Sooo, I have eliminated 2 and 3 and 4 and as Sherlock Holmes says so LOGICALLY:

    “when all other contingencies fail, whatever remains, however improbable, must be the truth”

    All that left is No. 1. Obama is a Kenyan.

    OH! I bet it sucks being you right now!!!!

    Plus, like i said a long time ago, I have the benefit of hindsight. It is now over two years down the road, and I guess I am one of those 2 in 100 (1 in 50 times 2 each—like INTPs!!!) who can reason analytically!!!

    Sooo, unlike you Obots, who are still stuck in 2008 and maybe early 2009, I live in October 2010, and lookit, I am [doing] the grand thing [and] reason[ing] backward [in time].

    You Obots ignore the REALITY of what hasn’t happened in over two years. ifhe had nothing to hide,he would have COUGHED UP SOMETHING for the public to touch and feel.

    SO THERE!!!! I am logical! You are the unlogical one!!!

    Girl Reporter

  8. Squeeky,

    Thanks for your response. Why are there so many birthers who go by Squeeky? Makes it all very confusing. But thank you for always signing off as "girl reporter". It makes it easier to identify you as you!

    I have a very difficult time accepting that you are in law school. Your initial premise is completely wrong and Holmes would be a lot embarrassed that you linked him to your fantasy. This lack of logic would embarrass a law student. If this is logic, how did you pass the LCAT?

    Holmes wouldn't say that Obama is a Kenyan. Holmes would state that there are 2 or 3 possibilities and without evidence, none can be confirmed or not confirmed. They are still mysteries to be uncovered.

    Using your logic, I could say that Obama is from Mars, is very stupid, that whatever such and such wouldn’t convince nobody (sic) and that he gets a political advantage from all the “crazy” "Martian theorists". Using your "logic", I could make up anything I wanted about anyone, and use an isolated and inappropriately interpreted quote from a mystery novel to support my premise.

    That isn't how Holmes worked. He used deductive logic. He never considered something to be possible or impossible until he had evidence. Let's say that Holmes didn't think the FC image of Obama's COLB was valid. He wouldn't say Obama is a Kenyan! He would say lets look for more evidence.

    Holmes would laugh at your "Woman's Intuition" (I am a woman, I am not insulting you based on sex). Holmes had no place for intuition. Nor does science (I am a scientist), nor does the law.

    Question: When I offered to pay 1/2 of Berg's expenses to Chicago to go look at Obama's COLB at Obama's campaign HQ in Sept, 2008, why didn't he go look at the COLB? Others offered to pay Berg's entire way round-trip. The COLB was available for viewing on demand. Berg refused to go.

    What would Holmes say about Berg's lack of action?

    Seriously, you misinterpret Holmes on so many levels. I would challenge you to read a Sherlock Holmes book and see how he uses deductive reasoning.

    Oh, and I am a 1 in 100 .... INFJ. We do best analytically and creatively, which is why so many of us go into teaching and science.